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Macs crash too August 15, 2006

Posted by sk in Computers & Internet.
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Surprise, surprise… Macs crash too:

http://www.scripting.com/2006/08/15.html#yesVirginiaMacsCrashToo

Who would have thought the world’s most superior computers would crash? Not me!

Update: I know these pics are old, but they remind me of the exploding Dells. It’s true. A Mac now does everything that a PC does (and replaces your cooking range too!).

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1. arbit writing - August 16, 2006

Why do u always come up with rare events which I never heard of….like omlets on Macs!!!…..anyways they are surely funny 😛

2. shravankrish - August 16, 2006

🙂 It’s pretty surprising that Macs crash, when the switch ads clearly claim they don’t as much as hang. By the way, did you know that more people use Windows 98 than OS X?

3. tismarkhan - September 18, 2006

Isnt it pretty cool for mac that if they crash they are all over the news..

windows has to NOT crash to make it to news..or it can just explode…

I am seriously considering switching to linux.I need to get educated on dual partition and all..but I might just do it.

4. sk - September 18, 2006

“Isnt it pretty cool for mac that if they crash they are all over the news..”

They’re not. Are they? Google it. You won’t find many articles (unless 1 blog post counts as “all over the news” for you). Now google articles about Windows crashing. One of the reasons (according to the get a mac ad) to switch to Macs is that they don’t crash. They do too (note the “too”???). Also, both Dells and Macs have had issues with explosions (due to sony batteries). 4 mn. Dells batteries and 1.8mn Apple batteries were recalled (Dell’s marketshare is much higher). FYI, OS has nothing to do with laptops burning. Your Dell laptop is just as liable to burn with Linux installed as it is with Windows installed. Good to know that you’re switching to Linux. All the best with it (frankly, you need lots of it to make all your hardware devices work in Windows). And no, I’m not spreading FUD. My roommate uses Linux at work, so we both tried installing it on our laptops. After struggling for 2 days, I uninstalled mine. He has stopped using it on his. His friend was a big Linux proponent until he had trouble playing certain media files. Now, he’s switched back too. And these two are not novices. They’re experienced users. Check this out, btw:

BTW, my Ubuntu installer crashed 6 times before I could get the OS installed (that doesn’t mean anything, though). Anyway, I’ve not been blogging about these things (Software etc.) any longer because it doesn’t make any sense. You guys won’t appreciate it unless you read other blogs too. It feels like I’m drinking the MS kool-aid and spreading FUD about Apple, when, in reality I was simply countering views found on sites like: macdailynews.net etc.

5. tismarkhan - September 18, 2006

“…They’re not. Are they? Google it. You won’t find many articles (unless 1 blog post counts as “all over the news” for you)…”

I did..Indeed not many articles but again little more than 1 blog post including a google video which is quite funny..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7148748849652085555

Its enough for me to call it “all over the news”..I mean sure its not a cnn headline, but again point was people take a note when it crashes…but yes I agree all those mac-pc ads by mac were ridiculously foolish..

“..Also, both Dells and Macs have had issues with explosions (due to sony batteries)…”

I know..and also that OS can hardly do any thing if bateries want to explode..

I just wanted to ‘heat-up’ the debate. ..

regarding linux, I know its going to be a long process, but I have been running some high load programs on my pc which it cannot take. As much as I have read, unix\linux are more stable..which I really need from my computer so I will try anyways..if it doesnt work..heck..I tried!

Also, Latex has better editors on unix and linux, which would be cool to have too..I absolutely dont use WORD anymore for anything.., and evey latex user swears by unix..(who uses it one unix) so thats one of my motivation too

“.. Anyway, I’ve not been blogging about these things (Software etc.) any longer because it doesn’t make any sense. You guys won’t appreciate it unless you read other blogs too. It feels like I’m drinking the MS kool-aid and spreading FUD about Apple, .”

I did not know what FUD was until I had to google it, but again if you feel abt something, you should blog. There are readers other than us “unappreciating readers”….who thinks u r..ms ..koolaid …apple ..fud…and all that!!

I, for one, do read other software blogs and all, not that extensively, but at least enough to appreciate what you write..of course other than Orb..which I am still not exactly clear on what it does..!

6. sk - September 19, 2006

Frankly, unless you have someone doing it for you, I wouldn’t advise you to go ahead. Linux/ Unix may be more stable but even in companies like Google, people log in to Linux servers from Windows machines to get their work done. See if you can install it on a virtual machine or something. Also, most people I know (my roommate too) have used Latex on both Unix and Windows and see no difference. Regarding performance, don’t expect Linux to be a magical fix. Clearing disk space may be an easier and less time-consuming solution.

7. tismarkhan - September 19, 2006

Yea using a virtual machine to try could be a good idea to start with. i will look into dat as well..
my roomie said he would help me install as even he wants it on his. he uses linux at work and says it worth a shot. but again he is a himesh reshamaiyya’s fan and i dont trust his judgement much..

well latex itself would not be different from windows to unix, its just that some editors like kile, emacs etc are considered very strong which are supported only on linux..its not a huge motivation, bcos its just an editor and OS is not all abt just using latex..plus the editor i have does a decent job as well…

on performance, I agree my computer itself is kind of getting old and OS might not be able to do fix all the performance issues, but before it dies..i just thought i will let it taste some other environments as well..!!may be it would like it more…

however, its all in the same clogged pipeline in which I have lot of other things ..so my xp is not facing any immediate eviction threat!

8. shravan - September 19, 2006

I tried lyx, by the way. Also emacs is available for Windows too. Go to osswin.sourceforge.net to see a list of software for Windows. I’ve tried Linux once – never again. I’ll probably buy a Mac when I start working, in addition to a Vista PC. I can create home videos on the Mac and use Vista for all the real work. :p

9. tismarkhan - September 20, 2006

lyx.., i heard abt that..but I cannot imagine it wud do anything which LateX cannot.
abt Vista, I have heard that its a power sucker. You need high ram, graphics card etc to make it work to its complete potential…and then I do not know if I really need everything which vista offers..
and then it will cost more too..
For me the real question is would it be stable or not..or just keep crashing. I will wait for the reviews, before I consider switching to it.

10. shravan - September 20, 2006

1) Vista is superior in terms of handling multiple threads (far superior).
2) It requires more memory but handles it more efficiently. Memory is cheap anyway.
Graphics card – only for Aero. You can run Vista Basic on most computers that came with XP.
3) Even if you’re not too interested in the looks, Vista has a lot to offer in terms of performance improvements, security, and stability…

11. shravan - September 20, 2006

“I did not know what FUD was until I had to google it, but again if you feel abt something, you should blog. There are readers other than us “unappreciating readers”….who thinks u r..ms ..koolaid …apple ..fud…and all that!!”

Another reason is lack of support! On other sites, there are at least five or six others who share the same opinion. On this, I feel like a “lone voice of reason.” 🙂

One thing I don’t understand is why Indians dislike Microsoft so much. I understand why some Americans do (because of all the anti-trust and abusive monopoly stuff) and why Europeans do (it’s an American monopoly!). Microsoft and Microsofties have been good for India. The company has a pro-immigration stance and is one of the few companies that asks for the H1-B cap to be lifted. It has opened several offices in India and pumps in a lot of money into the country. Their pro-India stance can be seen from the number of Indians that they hire every year – more than most other companies. They make decent software: 90% of Windows crashes are due to badly written 3rd party drivers; Office is probably among the best productivity suites created (not everyone has the time/ is smart enough to learn Latex); Visual Studio is the most user-friendly development suite I’ve used. The anti-trust and American monopoly arguments is of no onsequence to Indians because it hasn’t affected them. There are other monopolies like Coca Cola that receive better treatment. Bill Gates (The CSO) has sponsored several health projects in the country.

12. tismarkhan - September 20, 2006

“….Even if you’re not too interested in the looks, Vista has a lot to offer in terms of performance improvements, security, and stability…..”

Well I meant what vista can actually do, not what the company says it can do. I have read reviews both hailing it and ridiculing it and I have no reason to be biased toward one of the two. Having said that, like it or not, eventually vista might be the only option you have if you want to use windows. Something like xp. I do not remember the last time I saw any other version of windows either on public or personal computers. So I might have one too but I do not think I will just run to the stores day it is released.

Also, linux and unix, agreed it wont be as easy as windows to install or even use but there must be a reason why all the hig end high speed computing in universities is done only on unix servers. I have read lot of reviews where people have installed both linux and windows and are happy about it. Might not be same for me. actually I might not even try doing that sometime soon, but I wont be convinced that linux would tend to crash more than windows. Of course you need to be real good to make it work right which I am not…so thats a different issue.

“..Another reason is lack of support!..”
Its more like lack of agreement. There would have been no blogging if people agreed to each other. Even if people disagree, you know they r reading it before they disagree which is good enough reason to keep going. Whats the fun if everyone agrees.

“One thing I don’t understand is why Indians dislike Microsoft so much.”
do they?

“..Microsoft and Microsofties have been good for India…”
Now thats really mixing up the issues. I do not owe allegiance to ms bcos I was born in a country towards which bill gates had a soft corner.
No one likes or dislikes for this reason. We are just talking abt products not the company. I do not “dislike” MS either or their products. Its just that if there is a better product I will use that independent of their hiring policy in my country. They need people they are hiring it. Nothing charity abt it. Of course other than the actual charity they r doing in the country, which is great. But I still reserve the right to NOT to like one of their products.

“..They make decent software: 90% of Windows crashes are due to badly written 3rd party drivers;..”
Now again u switched back to the product issue. May be you are right on that. But its more like OS is saying “hey I didnt do anything, these drivers crashed me. may be even drivers would point it to OS. “This OS just doesnt want to stay stable. ”

“..not everyone has the time/ is smart enough to learn Latex..”
Thats lot of myth right there. Its not that people who learn latex have nothing better to do. Its mandoatory (rightly so) in many universities , departments, journals etc. Time or no time, if you want to or have to learn something, you learn it. If you dont, its not ur priority. Its never abt the time. Plus u acually SAVE lot of time in the long run. Smartness…none. If I can learn it ..anyone can. and thats no modesty. Its the fact. Its just a writing few commands in a text editor. How smart do you have to be for that.

Having said that, I agree office is the best productivity suite. I mean I cannot expect my dad to learn tex. So in that way, it does reach to a wider customer base and hence could be more productive. For academic or industrial purposes, other than excel (only for spreadsheets), I do not think any part of office is undisposable. (that might be bit off, as I have not used other products like office ‘meeting’ or something like that)

13. shravan - September 20, 2006

“Well I meant what vista can actually do, not what the company says it can do.”
No. I’m not toeing the company line here. I’m simply repeating what I’ve heard from beta testers (who don’t work for MS). Most bugs are minor and many problems are due to lack of driver support.

“I wont be convinced that linux would tend to crash more than windows.”

I never said that. I just said my installer crashed 7-8 times and that’s a fact. The actual OS never did. Also, Linux is definitely more secure than Windows, no doubt about it. It doesn’t become as slow over time either. Same with OS X. You don’t need any anti-spyware or anti-virus on the Mac. There are people who have both Linux and Windows installed on their PC and are happy. There are also people like me who have Windows and Cygwin installed on the PC and are happy.

“Its more like lack of agreement. There would have been no blogging if people agreed to each other. Even if people disagree, you know they r reading it before they disagree which is good enough reason to keep going. Whats the fun if everyone agrees.”

No. It’s a lack of support. We all don’t agree about everything else either. For example, I personally think RGV has made crappy movies after company. However, in this case, I don’t see the point in arguing with 5-10 people about the same thing over and over again. Makes me sound like a Microsoft fanboy. Now if someone else had been there to back me up…

“One thing I don’t understand is why Indians dislike Microsoft so much.”
“do they?”

Yes. Most people that I know do. And yes, I was mixing topics but I thought I’d just post a comment about that instead of dedicating an article to it. Frankly, Microsoft has been good to India and Indians and I don’t see why Indians dislike it (and this was not aimed at you). And I’m not talking about disliking individual products. I hate some of their products like FrontPage, Exchange, etc. but I don’t hate the company. There’s a difference.

Regarding Latex, I would have used it had I not already written parts of my dissertation in Word (because it’s easier for my advisor to correct it that way). I don’t dislike Latex and I don’t recommend Word to anyone because I know it’s a bad software (probably the weakest link in the Office suite).

14. tismarkhan - September 21, 2006

“…There are also people like me who have Windows and Cygwin installed on the PC and are happy…”
sure you are..you were not happy abt linux and all I said was people can be happy abt linux too, that doesnt make u unhappy by any means..

“…Frankly, Microsoft has been good to India and Indians and I don’t see why Indians dislike it (and this was not aimed at you)…”
Hehe, I know it wasnt aimed at me. Same with me, even I really do not like getting personal on blogs.., and none of my comments are.

“..Regarding Latex, I would have used it had I not already written parts of my dissertation in Word…”
That I agree. Learning TeX toward the end of ur dissertation will kill you. I am glad my advisor made me learn at the start of my program itself.

“..Word to anyone because I know it’s a bad software ..”
Hmmm..I dont know. well for a WYSIWYG editor it does a pretty good job. I think motivation for using LaTeX is not how annoying word is, but just the fact that there is only so much a WYSIWYG can do. be it word, star office or anything else…

“…Makes me sound like a Microsoft fanboy. Now if someone else had been there to back me up..”
It indeed does..but I do not think there is anything wrong abt it. YOu use their products, compare it with others, you like it better, you like their startegy..you talk abt it. Thats all there is to be a ‘fanyboy’. Like our Brahmanandam is a google fanboy…!

15. shravan - September 22, 2006

One thing I concede about Linux, though – configuring your wireless network is a piece of cake. It automatically detects networks and even logs on to networks that are secure. That I agree is easier than it is in Windows.


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